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Buddy keeps gaslighting me so I'm asking here

Questions1 months ago아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505
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At around 25 min our ADC tried to push the enemy's tier 2 mid turret solo and died. My friend keeps insisting it was a good play though. No matter what we say he won't listen. I'm pretty sure that's just a throwem_sylas_areyoukidding_inventory

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    Level 69사랑꾼-뽀삐

    Honestly from an outsider's perspective just reading this post, there's no way to tell who's right. Depends on a lot of things like how fed the ADC is, whether objectives are up, team's condition, etc. So many things to consider. Also dying for a t2 mid tower is a pretty reasonable trade sometimes.

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    1. 아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505OP

      The ADC was already fed, and there were no objectives up.

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    2. 사랑꾼-뽀삐

      아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505Nah, like I said, unless you literally spell out the entire game state for us from A to Z, there's no way we can make the right call just from a text description. Not asking for your IGN or anything, but we'd at least need a clip of that situation to judge properly...

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    3. 아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505OP

      사랑꾼-뽀삐It's not like it's just one or two games... And this guy, he's a hardstuck gold player who thinks he knows the game better than pros.

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    Level 9586세요네의마지막끌어치기카세톤

    What about the rest of the team??

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    1. 86세요네의마지막끌어치기카세톤

      At around 25 minutes baron is spawning soon, so if it's time to contest objectives or get ready for a teamfight, then pushing the mid wave is fine. But still, it's not like it was anyone else—the ADC tried to solo shove it too deep on their own, so we'd need to know the positioning of the rest of the team too. Why was the ADC left alone to push that far in the first place?

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    2. 아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505OP

      Team was backing/healing at fountain.

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    3. 86세요네의마지막끌어치기카세톤

      아우렐리온_아트록스9930536505Not saying this is the absolute right answer or anything, but yeah, you should be shoving mid every time the wave pushes in. That said, after like 15 mins the ADC should be the one swapping to mid to catch the farm, but obv your team needs to be there to watch their back. If everyone's low on HP and mana, that probably means you just had a teamfight, right? If not, the rest of the team could've just pushed with the ADC and given them a safe recall timer. If it was some random laner that got caught pushing, whatever, but if your fed ADC gets picked, the next teamfight is toast.

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    Level 15서리달-케이틀린

    It's just straight up a loss lol. From the replies, if the team was resetting/recalling and the AD carry tried to push tier 2 mid solo and died, it's 100% the ADC's fault. It's a team game — the team judged it was too risky to touch tier 2 mid so they went to reset, but if you're gonna die trying to push it alone, why even play as a team? It's basically like Teddy thinking pushing mid then invading is the right call and taking mid farm without Chovy's consent. Your friend just doesn't get adaptation. Pushing mid? Macro-wise, that's the right play. But the ADC pushing mid even if it means dying? And then claiming it was a good play? That's literally just memorizing the answer key from a solution guide without understanding anything.

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    Level 70부에엥

    i mean, could be the right call depending on the situation, so i can't really say anything definitively

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    Level 39임을위한행진곡

    i mean, there are situations where it could be a good play

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    Level 91맥다핀

    It *could* be a good play if there's no objective up, no bounty, no chance of a fight over red/blue/rift herald, your ADC is behind on farm, and the enemy didn't give the kill to their main carry. Otherwise it's pretty much always a macro loss.

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    Level 21조지팝나무

    Judging by the level of your question, this one's on you.

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    Level 55스미스의보이지않는손

    Like everyone else is saying, it's hard to say who's right here. Could be your friend is actually correct. But honestly, an ADC going alone to push mid tower in the first place isn't great habit, especially when they couldn't even take it.

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    Level 47무능-실패-반복

    is your friend maybe between silver 3-4 and bronze 1 lol

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    Level 22OnLa

    Past 20 minutes an ADC dying is just always a loss. If it were actually worth it, pros would be doing it by now. There's no way it's ever a good trade.

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