Both of them are ridiculous — their value's straight up busted thanks to items, and on top of that their laning is super strong, top tier.
With heal + barrier you're basically forcing the enemy to build serpents fang AND grevious wounds lol
These champs are way more scummy than something like top Varus. Their laning is top tier, their value is good, and they don't mess up your comp.
Karma was already performing at a level that should've gotten nerfed ages ago, but Braun held his reign for so long that she's only now catching the nerf bat.
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Yeah, now that I think about it, that's true. The heal cut is whatever, but forcing Serpent's Fang is the real issue. AP champs and tanks can't even counter it, and even bruisers are iffy about building Serpent's over other items. So yeah, looking at it like this, it's pretty messed up. That's why utility champs have such insane value.
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The fact that you're forced into Serpent's Fang is huge
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i abused karma to 400LP lol nerfed but shield cd still long af and q poke hurts early ㅋㅋ
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